Info on this page taken from my studies, www.seekgod.ca/roodnewsflash.htm, by Vicky Dillen and a good brother in the Lord, Richard Rives. His website is www.toolong.com, check it out!
Info on this page taken from my studies, www.seekgod.ca/roodnewsflash.htm, by Vicky Dillen and a good brother in the Lord, Richard Rives. His website is www.toolong.com, check it out!
HEBREW MATTHEW - Shem Tob - du Tillet - Munster
Are we to believe and trust these references by Origen and his student Eusebius?
It was Origen was deceived by education and philosophy who upon receipt of pure copies of scripture altered them to parallel his twisted thinking. He is the father of all Bible critics and is not only responsible for the physical manuscripts which delete such verses as Luke 24:40, Acts 8:37 and I John 5:7, but he is also responsible for the Alexandrian philosophy parroted by so many of our fundamental scholars who claim that "The Bible is perfect and infallible" with one breath and then state "The Bible has mistakes and mistranslations" with the very next. It is this demented ideology that gave birth to the corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts in the first place.
"As having learnt by tradition concerning the four Gospels, which alone are unquestionable in the Church of God under heaven, that first was written according to Matthew, who was once a tax collector but afterwards an apostle of Jesus Christ, who published it for those who from Judaism came to believe, composed as it was in the Hebrew language." - Origen (Eusebius, H.E. 6.25.4)
"Matthew collected the oracles (ta logia) in the Hebrew language, and each interpreted them as best he could." - Papias (Eusebius, H.E. 3.39.16)
Beware of those who present the Shem Tob version of Matthew as an accurate representation of a manuscript.
Many believers in Messiah Yeshua are being led by unbelievers to accept an unscriptual version of pseudo Hebrew Matthew which was found as a part of a polemic document entitled Eban Bohan. This document was authored by Shem Tob, an unbelieving Jewish theologian.
Many unbelievers are going around the country promoting this trash.
Quoting Professor George Howard, translator of Shem Tob:
In regard to theology, Shem-tob’s Hebrew Matthew is heretical according to the standard of traditional Christianity. It never identifies Jesus with the Messiah. John the Baptist is given an exalted role (even takes on messianic traits), --- Shem-Tob’s text envisions the salvation of the Gentiles only in the Messianic era.Shem Tob ben Shaprut of Tudela Castle - Spain
1385 - 14th Century
Wrote a polemical work against Christianity entitled Eben Bohan (The Touchstone)
Matthew is a separate chapter of Eben Bohan
A cursive manuscript of Eben Bohan can be found at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America - New York (212)678-8081
Jean du Tillet - Catholic Bishop of Brieux France
From a manuscript found at Rome among the Jews in 1553
Used by Jehovah’s witnesses
James Trim translated du Tillet
1537 confiscated from the Jews
Some think Munster and du Tillet to be from the same source
Munster filled in missing portions and made no notes as to which parts he added.
Shem Tob and du Tillet are different texts. They do not always agree.
Munster disagrees with Shem Tob. They do not always agree
Jerome speaks of a Hebrew Matthew among the Nazarenes in Jordan who fled Jerusalem. Jerome quotes that text and Professor George Howard who translated Shem Tob says that Jeromes quotes do not match Shem Tob.
Epiphanius qoutes Ebionite Hebrew Matthew. His quotes do not match Shem Tob.
The tetragrammaton does not appear in Shem Tob or in du Tillet.
In Shem Tob it is written as Heh or Heh and two Yods signifying Ha Shem or The Name.
In du Tillet it is written as three Yods.
SCRIPTURAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SHEM TOB AND THE GREEK MAJORITY TEXTS AS REPRESENTED IN THE ENGLISH KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE
Never identifies Yeshua / Jesus as Messiah.
Mat 1:1 "the generation of Jesus Christ"
Shem Tob "the generations of Jesus ( )"
Never identifies Jesus as Messiah.
Mat 1:18 "now the birth of Jesus Christ"
Shem Tob "birth of Jesus ( )"
The fact that Yeshua / Jesus "shall save His people" omitted
Mat 1:21 "thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins"
Shem Tob "he shall save my people from their sins"
Non-Biblical - Rabbinical reference
Mat 4:9 "all these things will I give if thou wilt fall down and worship me"
Shem Tob "if you bare your head to me"
Jewish sages given equal status with Yeshua / Jesus
Mat 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
"Preaching with great power not as the rest of the sages."
Reference to the coming kingdom removed
Mat 6:10 "Thy kingdom come"
Shem Tob "may your kingdom be blessed"
Forgiveness of sin by Yeshua / Jesus removed
Mat 9:2 "thy sins be forgiven thee"
Shem Tob "It is by the faith of God that your sins have been forgiven"
The gospel set aside
Mat 11:5 "the poor have the gospel preached to them"
Shem Tob "the poor are aquited"
Elevation of John the Baptist over Yeshua / Jesus
Mat 11:11 - 11:13 "For all the prophets and the law spoke concerning John" as opposed "prophesied until John".
Mat 21:32 "Because John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him."
In Shem Tob - addressed to the disciples instead of the chief priests and elders.
Quoting Professor George Howard, translator of Shem Tob:
In summary, this series of readings asserts that none is greater than John, the prophets and the law spoke concerning John, John (Elijah) is to save all the world, and Jesus’ own disciples are disgraced for not having believed John. In traditional Christianity such a description is usually applied to Jesus. Its application to John the Baptist in Shem Tobs Hebrew, elevates the Baptist to a salvific (salvation) role.
The temple greater than Yeshua / Jesus
Mat 12:6 "But I say unto you, in this place is one greater than the temple"
Shem Tob "the temple is greater than this"
Mat 13:11 "it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given"
Shem Tob "to know the kingdom of heaven"
Man sows seed instead of the son of man:
Mat 13:37 "He that soweth the good seed is the son of man"
Shem tob "the one who sows good seed is man"
Possible Talmudic influence - Toldoth Yeshu?
Mat 13:55 "Is this not the carpenters son? Is not his mother called Mary?"
"Is this not the son of the smith and Mary?"
*** James is left out as brother of Jesus in the Shem Tob - Possible elevation of James
Mat 14:6 In Shem Tob Herods daughter danced - not Herodias’ daughter - Qumran scrolls condemn niece marriage - Jewish leaders of the time practiced it.
Possible Talmudic Influence: Doctrine of the Pharisees unquestioned
Mat 16:12 Told to beware the doctrine of the Pharisees..."
Shem Tob "beware of the behavior of the Pharisees..."
Salvation by Elijah rather than Yeshua / Jesus
Mat 17:11 "Elijah shall truly shall first come and restore all things"
Shem Tob "Elijah will come and save all the world"
Salvation by way of "The Son of man" deleted
Mat 18:11 "The Son of man is come to save that which was lost"
Shem Tob "the son of man has stopped saving the enemy"
Possible Talmudic Implications:
Mat 18:18 "Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven"
Shem Tob applies this scripture to being bound or loosed from oaths taken - Day of Atonement - Col Nidre Prayer - implications ????
Shem Tob "every oath which you shall bind on earth is bound in heaven and every oath which you shall loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Worldly material wealth rather than heavenly treasure
Mat 19:22 "Went away sorrowful for he had great possessions"
Shem Tob "went away angry because he did not have much property"
"When the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory"
"when man sits upon the throne of his glory"
"When they heard the Jesus passed by"
"the prophet Jesus from Nazareth is coming"
The preaching of the gospel as a witness concerning Yeshua / Jesus "is the Anti-Christ and this is the abomination which desolates.
Mat 24:14-16 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains."
Shem Tob "And this gospel, that is, evungili, will be preached un all the earth for a witness concerning me to all the nations and then the end will come. This is the Anti-Christ and this is the abomination which desolates. Then those who are in Judaea let them flee to the mountains."
"Son of man" replaced by "the bridegroom."
Mat 25:13 ...day not the hour wherein the Son of man cometh"
Shem Tob "...day nor hour when the bridegroom comes."
Possible Talmudic implications
Mat 26:2 "...the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified"
Shem Tob "delivered into the hand of the Jews for the gallows"
Mat 27:23 "Let him be crucified"
Shem Tob "let them hang him"
Mat 27:31 "led him away to crucify him"
Shem Tob "gave orders to hang him"
"The Cross" is in parenthesis as if it needed to be connected with the word gallows.
Mat 27:32 "him they compelled to bear his cross"
Shem Tob "compelled him to carry the gallows, that is "The Cross"
Mat 27:40-42 "Come down from the cross"
Shem Tob v.40 "come down from the gallows" - v.42 "come down from the tree"
Mat 28:5 "ye seek Jesus who was crucified"
"Shem Tob "Jesus who was hung"
Not the King of the Jews but the King of Israel
Mat 27:37 "THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS"
Shem Tob "This is Jesus of Nazareth the King of Israel"
Mat 27:46 "with a loud voice"
Shem Tob "in the holy language" (Hebrew ?)
Mat 27:57 "a rich man of Arimathea"
Shem Tob "A rich man from Karnasiah came . His name was Joseph…"
Mat 27:59 "when Joseph had taken the body he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth"
Shem Tob "wrapped it in a very fine silk garment"
Mat 28:9 - Shem Tob has Jesus substituting YHWH with "Ha Shem" Traditional Jewish greeting rather than Greek/Roman greeting as is found in majority manuscripts
"Jesus met them saying All Hail"
"saying May the Name deliver you"
Shem Tob has 12 disciples going to Galilee after Judas was dead
Mat 28:16 "Then the eleven disciples went away unto Galilee"
"when his twelve disciples came to Galilee"
"I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world" - left out
Mat 28:20 - Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo "I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world" Amen
Shem Tob - and teach them to carry out all the things which I have commanded you forever.
Quoting Professor George Howard, translator of Shem Tob:
In regard to theology, Shem-tob’s Hebrew Matthew is heretical according to the standard of traditional Christianity. It never identifies Jesus with the Messiah. John the Baptist is given an exalted role (even takes on messianic traits), --- Shem-Tob’s text envisions the salvation of the Gentiles only in the Messianic era.
This article below is taken from: http://www.seekgod.ca/roodnewsflash.htm, by Vicky Dillen
Michael Rood of A Rood Awakening and Nehemia Gordon
US Speaking Tour
Raiders of Nothing of Value
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
In January 2005 Michael Rood, of A Rood Awakening, will be traveling with Nehemiah Gordon, or Nehemia Gordon, who rejects the New Testament and Jesus Christ and who, along with Michael Rood, hopes to teach those of "lesser scholarship", what the "Hebrew Matthew" and the New Testament "really" means, while correcting the errors in the 'corrupted' Greek texts.
With the tour is the promotion of Michaels's latest book, "The Pagan Christian Connection Exposed," and Nehemia Gordon's "The Hebrew Yeshua vs. the Greek Jesus: New Light on the Seat of Moses from Shem-Tov's Hebrew Matthew" by Nehemia Gordon, Preface by Avi Ben Mordechai, Introduction by Michael Rood.
Michael Rood in fact, declares in the Introduction to "The Hebrew Yeshua vs. the Greek Jesus", that, "...This is the revelation for which I have been waiting an entire lifetime!"
According to their promotions for the tour, dubbed "Raiders of the Lost Book", even as late as December 30, 2004, "Michael and Nehemia will be driving from city to city." And from Michael Rood in November 2004, "In January, I will be doing a 22 city speaking tour in the U.S. with Nehemia Gordon on the subject of the ancient Hebrew Matthew. What I had hoped to do last year with Nehemia will now take place, as his book on "The Hebrew Yeshua vs. The Greek Jesus" will now be ready for the tour. The tour schedule is enclosed with this letter. After the "Hebrew Matthew" tour, I will present the Sinai Connection in both Albuquerque and Phoenix on my way to the NRB (National Religious Broadcasters) convention in Anaheim California."
It is noteworthy that the first stop of this tour, January 4, was hosted by First Fruits of Zion [FFOZ] connected Mikha'el Detwiler (Michael Detwiler), who was formerly on James Trimm's Beit Din.
Regarding Michael Rood and Nehemia Gordon making appearances at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention [NRB] in February 2005, which is the Christian hub for disseminating the gospel of Jesus Christ via electronic and printed media, Please see :
Michael Rood, Sky Angel , Ron Wyatt & The National Religious Broadcasters.
In fact, in rather a strange promotion, Sky Angel promotes Rood as a "Christian teacher" which is something since Michael Rood refers to himself as a levite, amongst other things and all things Christian as pagan. It is interesting to this writer, that a man who appears to have an aversion to the name of Jesus, who promotes the Shem Tov Matthew over the inspired Greek New Testament scriptures, which he teaches are full of error, who says he was a former member of "the baptist cult" and goes as far to teach that Christians are full of error, is being promoted on a Christian satellite system as a Christian.
"...This special tribute features a one-of-a-kind interview with Reggie by
Christian teacher Michael Rood while Reggie was in Israel. Reggie reveals in
his own words what transformed him spiritually during the last years of his life..."
"...Sky Angel's mission to provide a Christ-centered and family-friendly television service to the nation. To view this special endorsement, click here."
This is most odd in that Michael Rood promotes himself as a " Jewish theologian" as noted on his websites advertisements for his new book, The Pagan Christian Connection Exposed " That even when he is not Jewish and was raised Baptist and even claimed to be a Baptist Minister:
"Michael Rood invites you to "leave your western gentile mind behind", as he explores the scriptures from a Hebrew perspective in: The Pagan-Christian Connection Exposed. What can a Jewish theologian teach a Christian about Christianity? Plenty! "
Some might well ask after reading this Newsflash, why any Christian or even Messianic organizations are promoting Michael Rood and any associated with him.
If anyone attends Mr. Rood's seminar, it may be advisable to ask him:
"What are your credentials in archaeology and languages?", "what are your qualifications and credentials to bill yourself as a "biblical historian?" and "where exactly did you 'study' for over thirty years?"
"What Yeshiva did you study at to become a Rabbi?"
"Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh and the fulfillment of the Messiah?"
"How long were you involved in Way International theology, as a follower and as major leadership, and how much of it carried over into your current teachings?"
"Do you really believe the Name of Jesus is equivalent to 'the pig' or is reference to pagan Greek gods such as Zeus?"
"Is the Name and Person of Jesus equated to the abomination of desolation as found with the teachings such as your friend and associate Ed Nydle who declares who the abomination is: "Satan/Hillel/Ashtorah/Zeus/Baal-zebul/Tammuz/SHIQQUS (BAAL) SHAMEN-LORD of HEAVEN or OIL= IESOUS (Jesus)! Satan/Hillel has pulled off the greatest deception of all time. He has set himself up as the LORD of HEAVEN/..." ?
Michael Rood's promotion introduces the tour by focusing the reader on the find of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which incidentally were found in 1947. That information has nothing whatsoever to do with the Shem Tov Matthew or any Hebrew Matthews, which originated in Europe between 1300-1500. It is no less than an attempt by Michael Rood and Nehemia Gordon to parallel the Hebrew Matthews with the Dead Sea Scrolls and present Shem Tov as being newly "unearthed", when in fact, it has been known of for years and was found on a bookshelf in someone's library.
The supposed "original" Hebrew Matthews are from the 1400-1500 range CE. Precisely, Shem Tov or Shem Tob is dated 1380, while DuTillet and Muenster are about 1550. Together they make up the "Middle Ages Matthews" but, they are very different, and as one stated, that is one of the ironies.
Michael Rood and Nehemiah Gordon are attempting to present the Shem Tov version of Matthew as an accurate, and original representation of the Gospel of Matthew. Shem Tov's "Matthew", or Shem Tob's Matthew as some call it, which textual critics will tell you, is nothing more than an altered medieval text, which is a corrupt copy of the Latin text, which was originally copied from the Greek. Most legitimate textual critics have all but ignored this middle age manuscript. Just imagine the telephone game being played by those who do not believe in Christ while supposedly "translating" the Shem Tov, with the result being a third generation altered copy.
The truth is that uninformed believers are being led by unbelievers to accept an altered anti-Christian version of Matthew that was included in the writing titled "Even Bohan" or "The Touchstone." This document was authored by Shem Tov, an unbelieving anti-Christian Jewish writer who some have referred to as a theologian, who resided in Spain during the fourteenth century. His copy of Hebrew Matthew has anti-Christian polemical commentary by him throughout the text.
The Shem Tov Matthew "translation" never identifies Jesus as the Messiah, gives John the Baptist an exalted role, Jesus' role in forgiving sins is omitted, and Jesus' ability to save all His people from their sins is also eliminated. It is also written in this "translation" that preaching the Gospel to the gentiles is of the anti-christ.
Just a brief comparison of phrases from the Shem Tov to the KJB, reveals these anti-Christian alterations to Scriptural Truth. The Shem Tov Hebrew Matthew quotes are from George Howard's 'Hebrew Gospel of Matthew', published by Mercer University Press (1995).
These passages fail to identify Jesus as Messiah.
Mat 1:1 "...the generation of Jesus Christ..."
Shem Tov "...the generations of Jesus..." ***Please note that Jesus is translated from the name Yeshu in the Hebrew text of this translation.
Mat 1:18 "...now the birth of Jesus Christ..."
Shem Tov "...birth of Jesus..." ***This is also translated from the word Yeshu from the Hebrew text.
In this passage His ability to forgive all sin is eliminated.
Mat 1:21 "...thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from
Shem Tov "...you will call his name Jesus because he will save my people from their sins." ***Jesus=Yeshua
Mat 9:2 " And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on
a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of
good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee."
Shem Tov "9:2, "They brought to him one who was sick with contractions, that is, paralitico, lying upon his bed. Jesus saw their faith and said to the sick man: Have courage my son. It is by the faith of God that your sins have been forgiven." ***Jesus = Yeshu
In this passage Jesus is made equal to the scribes or sages.
Mat 7:29 "For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes."
Shem Tov "because he was preaching to them with great power, not as the rest of the sages"
In this passage the coming of a future Kingdom is eliminated
Mat 6:10 "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
Shem Tov "may your kingdom be blessed; may your will be done in heaven and on earth"
In this passage the preaching of the gospel is eliminated.
Mat 11:5 "The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are
cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the
gospel preached to them."
Shem Tov "the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are revived and the poor are acquitted."
In this passage the temple is exalted above Christ
Mat 12:6 "But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the
Shem Tov "Truly I say to you that the temple is greater than this"
In this passage their behavior not their doctrine is questioned.
Mat 16:12 "Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the
leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."
Shem Tov "beware of the behavior of the Pharisees and the Saducees..." *** This does not have the verse broken up by number. There is a group of verses listed as 9-12 , and no verse 6, 7, or 8a.
Mat 16:9-12 9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? 10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? 11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? 12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Shem Tov 16:9-12, "Do you remember the five loaves and four thousand men how many seahs were left over? Therefore you should understand that I am not speaking of natural loaves but I am saying to you that you should (beware) of the behavior of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
In this passage Elijah becomes the savior.
Mat 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first
come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come
already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they
listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the
disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."
Shem Tov "11. He answered them and said: Indeed Elijah will come and will save all the world. 12 "I say to you, he has already come, they did not know him, and they did to him according to their desire. (So) they will do to the Son of Man. 13 "Then the disciples understood that regarding John the Baptizer he was saying this""
Mat 18:11 "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."
Shem Tov 18:11, "and the Son of Man has stopped saving the enemy."
In these passages the Deity of Christ is eliminated.
Mat 19:28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which
have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the
throne of his glory,..."
Shem Tov "Jesus said: Truly I say to you who follow me, in the day of judgement when man sits upon the throne of his glory you also will sit upon the twelve thrones of the twelve tribes of Israel." ***Jesus=Yeshu
Mat 20:30 "...when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have
mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David."
Shem Tov "...It was said to them: The prophet Jesus from Nazareth is coming. Then they cried out saying: Son of David, have mercy on us." ***Jesus=Yeshu
Mat 28:9 ".. Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by
the feet, and worshipped him."
Shem Tov "As they were going Jesus passed before them saying: May the Name deliver you. They came near to him, bowed down to him, and worshipped him" ***Please Note Jesus = Yeshu ; the Name =haShem
In this passage preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ becomes, "the Anti-Christ" and "abomination of desolation."
Mat 24:14-16 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye
therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the
prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let
them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: "
Shem Tov "And this gospel, that is, evungili, will be preached In all the earth for a witness concerning me to all the nations and then the end will come. This is the Anti-Christ and this is the abomination which desolates which was spoken of by Daniel [as] standing in the holy place. Let the one who reads understand. Then those who are in Juda, let them flee to the mountains."
It should noted as stated in the rabbinic writings that the word Yeshu, found translated in the Shem Tov, has the same connotations as is found in the Toledot Yeshu, as shown in the article To Embrace Hebrew Roots: Part III The Talmud & Jesus Christ:
From a Jewish article about Jesus we learn that the Talmud slanders our Savior, Jesus Christ.
"... the Jewish Encyclopœdia admits that Jewish legends concerning Jesus are found in the Talmud and Midrash and in " the life of Jesus ( Toledot Yeshu) that originated in the Middle Ages. It is the tendency of all these sources to belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to Him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. " 1.
In the Talmud, the name "Jeschu [Ieschu]" can apparently be translated:
"…as if it were composed of the initial letters of the three words Immach SCHemo Vezikro-- (meaning)- -'May his name be blotted out.'" 4.
It is more than a little ironic that a Karaite Jew who claims to reject the rabbinic writings, would then promote a text written by a rabbinic Jew, who referenced the Talmud and utilized other writings such as the Toledot Yeshu, as noted by Dr. William L. Petersen, The Genesis of Shem Tob Matthew:
"104. There is no mystery about the genesis of Shem-Tob's Hebrew Matthew. It is obvious that it incorporates material from a variety of sources (e.g., from the Toledoth Jeshu, the Vetus Latina, etc.). But because of the high number of agreements with the Liège Harmony, many of them unique, the tradition behind the Liège Harmony--which we know to be a Latin gospel harmony--must also be the principal element responsible for the textual complexion of Shem-Tob's Hebrew Matthew:" http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/vol03/Petersen1998a.html#par133
It should also be noted that the Shem Tov Matthew was also used in what some Messianics have alleged to be a plagarized "translation" by James Trimm, and by the Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower Society as a text that was utilized in their 'translation' known as The New World Translation, which also clearly denies the Deity of Christ. Michael Rood's friend, Marshall Koniuchowsky of Your Arms to Israel, also used the Shem Tov Matthew in his less than linguistically accurate "Renewed Covenant", also known as the Restoration Scriptures.
"For the Renewed Covenant, we have used the greatly appreciated and widely accepted Textus Receptus, or Received Text in the Greek. After prayerful consideration and scholarship, we have heartily used other key sources such as the Aramaic Peshitta, Matthew Shem Tov, Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Septuagint, along with consulting many other legitimate sources. Most often those sources were Semitic, since we believe the Renewed Covenant was inspired in the Semitic languages of Aramaic and Hebrew." www.restorationscriptures.org/page.php?page=home
Vendyl Jones, favorite of the Jewish anti missionaries, highly regards the Shem Tov. [www.vendyljones.org.il/message.htm]
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. ...6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
For more on the Shem Tov Matthew issue, please read the sections The James Trimm & Michael Rood Factor ; Michael Rood & James Trimm & The WAY They are listed in the Michael Rood article links as well as in the Ministries Leadership section. Those also discuss the sources for these 'great' 'new' sources which are not new or just revealed at all, nor sound. The question is, should we be led or taught by anyone who has been tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine such as Mr. Rood has, who is a self confessed former member of the "baptist cult", "Reverend", "former Baptist Minister" a "Rabbi", "Rabbi Michael Rood" or "Messianic rabbi (teacher) Michael Rood", "Messianic Karaite Rabbi", "Messianic Jewish Rabbi," and former member of the Way International, etc.
Update: Since the release of this article, discussions have sprung up on a number of Messianic and Christian forums. It should be noted that while focusing on the Messianics in this update, the fact of the matter is that Michael Rood and Nehemiah Gordon are targeting the much larger based Christian organizations and individuals. Steven Avery of Messianic Apologetic, who is a Jewish Believer who has researched Biblical history and texts, is well versed on the topic of the Shem Tov Matthew and wrote this which was posted on his forum:
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:01 pm
Subject: "Dead Sea Scrolls of the New Testament" - caveat emptor
Before we continue on the back and forth, I want to show the forum how Rood and Gordon are peddling their DSS-NT scam. Remember we understood that for awhile they were fighting about trademark issues vis a vis the DSS-NT phrase. Apparently in the interest of fleecing the public, they came to some sort of agreement.
Here is their advertising, Keep in mind that I normally avoid using the word "lie", but in looking at this advertising and promotion, it is the only proper reaction. Please be prepared :-)
Feel free to use this advertising review to warn the believing public, or organizations that might sponsor Rood/Gordon, about the deceptions that are being used to fleece the flock. Simply do me the courtesy of letting me know if you use this post to warn others, and preferably link to this original post in our archives. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/message/9095
And Vicky Dillen's article at http://www.seekgod.ca/roodnewsflash.htm gives an excellent gallop, but not all, of the background information on Shem Tov.
(Please note that that is not an unqualified endorsement of all that Vicky shares there, some of the article reflects her own spiritual perspectives).
Steven Avery - schmuel @escape.com
Dead Sea Scrolls of the New Testament
The title alone already shows their "big lie" technique..
Searching for a lost sheep in the foothills of the Judean mountains, a shepherd boy stumbled upon a cave filled with ancient Hebrew manuscripts sealed in clay jars. These manuscripts became known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. This discovery fanned a hope among New Testament scholars that someday ancient Hebrew texts of the Gospels might also be unearthed.
Notice how Rood and Gordon are trying to equate Shem Tov as like a 2000 year old NT.
A few years ago Biblical historian and author, Michael Rood, was in Jerusalem working on a longstanding textual problem in the book of Matthew. He formalized his problem and approached a friend, Nehemia Gordon, a textual scholar at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. At the time, Nehemia was working as a translator on the Dead Sea Scrolls Publication Project. Nehemia, who is fluent in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac, and Greek, agreed to participate in the investigation.
They add Greek here, has anybody ever heard Nehemiah speak a sentence in Greek ? Does he claim that in the book? or is this "embellishment" -- perhaps our friend with the book can check. Nehemiah told me he knows nothing about NT scholarship, and in his Yehiva-bucher
background he would not learn Greek.
What developed from his research is about to shake the Christian world.
They found nothing significant that had not been written about many years earlier.
Ancient Hebrew manuscripts which were secreted away for centuries have recently been unearthed
Another big lie. Shem Tov and Munster and DuTillet have been known about, and discussed, for ages, in NT scholarship circles. "Hebrew in the Church" by Pinchas Lapide gives references to lots of various scholarship on all of them.
. One of the greatest of these treasures is the ancient Hebrew text of the book of Matthew.
The same lie continues.
These texts solved problems that had grieved scholars for centuries.
Nineteen hundred years ago, "Church Fathers" such as Origen and Jerome testified that "Matthew wrote his gospel in the Hebrew language" and that it was later translated into other languages.
More deception -- this looks like a quote, note the quote marks, but it is not. It is a self-serving mangling placed as exact words in the mouth of Jerome and Origen (actually Eusebius quoting Origen) - tawdry scholarship.
We have a lot on Hebrew Matthew issues in our archives -- there are references to this Hebrew Matthew of stories that are not in our Gospel of Matthew..the excellent CCEL footnote, and two Jerome quotes are in (1)
The early Hebrew copies apparently vanished in the fires of Roman religious persecution. But, unknown to the Christian world, the Hebrew text of Matthew's Gospel was preserved by Jewish scholars who kept it safely hidden in covert archives.
Another big lie. Completely fabricated. Gordon and Rood need to make a public retraction
and repudiation of this if they ever want to have any hope of being taken seriously .
Numbers of Hebrew manuscripts of Matthew's account have survived centuries of exile and are now being brought to light.
More lies. In addition to the well-known Shem Tov, there is also the unrelated and also well-known Munster (a skilled Christian Hebraist linguist who made what was essentially an evangelical version of Matthew for the Jews - see Pinchas Lapide, Hebrew in the Church) and DuTillet, which is a spruced up Munster. All of these have been kicking around scholarly dustbins and journals and studies for awhile, -- while awaiting scam promoters like Trimm, Rood and Gordon, and a public with little background, balance and sense on scriptural issues, and some disposable cash.
These ancient manuscripts of the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew are the "Dead Sea Scrolls of the New Testament".
More big lies.
Nehemia feels that, in many ways, these texts of Matthew are actually more important than the Dead Sea Scrolls themselves.
This is truly sad and sick to read. Nehemiah can have no more credibility in any circles if he allows this to be published as his view. Hopefully someone involved with such a sham promotion will no longer be involved in real projects, like the DSS projects with Emanuel Tov.
Join Michael Rood and Nehemia "the Karaite" Gordon from Jerusalem for their thrilling multimedia presentation: "The Dead Sea Scrolls of the New Testament".
If you go, please be sure to hold on to your wallet, and try to help those who would be deceived by all the lies in this promotion.
For those who are serious students of the Bible, this is certain to be the adventure of a lifetime. Bring the entire family, pastors and teachers, friends and enemies. This will be a night to remember.
Michael will be displaying artifacts from the "real" Mount Sinai in Midian, what is now Saudi Arabia. He will also exhibit a 300-year-old Torah Scroll that was smuggled out of Iraq after Saddam Hussein decreed that all of the scrolls of Moses were to be destroyed. See the Word of GOD as it was originally given: each letter painstakingly handwritten by a single scribe on the stitched-together hides of an entire flock of sheep. From the sun parched Judean desert, you will handle brimstone that was retrieved form the ashen remains of the city of Gomorrah, the city destroyed by flaming brimstone in the days of Abraham.
This last paragraph, although written a little sensationally, is not a problem. We are done with analyzing this advertisement.
(1) This CCEL and the following two quotes from Jerome will help put this
question in proper
199 That Matthew wrote a gospel in Hebrew, although denied by many, is at present the prevailing opinion among scholars, and may be accepted as a fact both on account of its intrinsic probability and of the testimony of the Fathers, which begins with the statement of Papias, quoted by Eusebius in chap. 39, below, is confirmed by Irenaeus (III. 1. 1, quoted below, V. 8, §2),-whether independently of Papias or not, we cannot say,-by Pantaenus (but see below, Bk. V. chap. 10), by Origen (see below, VI. 25), by Jerome (de vir. ill. 3),-who says that a copy of it still existed in the library at Caesarea,-and by Epiphanius (Haer. XXIX. 9). The question as to the relation of this Hebrew original to our present Greek Matthew is much more difficult. That our Greek Matthew is a mere translation of the original Hebrew was once a prevailing theory, but is now completely abandoned. That Matthew himself wrote both is a common conservative position, but is denied by most critical scholars, many of whom deny him the composition even of the Hebrew original. Upon the theory that the original Hebrew Matthew was identical with the "Gospel according to the Hebrews," see chap. 27, note 8. Upon the synoptic problem, see above, II. 15, note 4; and see the works mentioned there for a discussion of this original Matthew, and in addition the recent works by Gla, Original-Sprache des Matt. Evang., 1887, and Resch, Agrapha, Leipzig, 1889
Matthew, also called Levi, apostle and aforetimes publican, composed a gospel of Christ at first published in Judea in Hebrew for the sake of those of the circumcision who believed, but this was afterwards translated into Greek though by what author is uncertain. The Hebrew itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered. I have also had the opportunity of having the volume described to me by the Nazarenes of Beroea, a city of Syria, who use it. In this it is to be noted that wherever the Evangelist, whether on his own account or in the person of our Lord the Saviour quotes the testimony of the Old Testament he does not follow the authority of the translators of the Septuagint but the Hebrew. Wherefore these two forms exist "Out of Egypt have I called my son," and "for he shall be called a Nazarene."
Jerome, Lives of Illustrious Men, Chapter III
Jerome was well aware of the standard Matthew, most all scholars would
equate this as a separate non-extant Gospel, very possibly also called the
"Gospel to the Hebrews".
Here is some of the problem with the idea that this is our Matthew, notice how what Jerome calls here the Gospel according to Matthew is not our Matthew.
2. In the Gospel according to the Hebrews, which is written in the Chaldee and Syrian language, but in Hebrew characters, and is used by the Nazarenes to this day (I mean the Gospel according to the Apostles, or, as is generally maintained, the Gospel according to Matthew, a copy of which is in the library at Caesarea), we find, "Behold, the mother of our Lord and His brethren said to Him, John Baptist baptizes for the remission of sins; let us go and be baptized by him. But He said to them, what sin have I committed that I should go and be baptized by him? Unless, haply, the very words which I have said are only ignorance." And in the same volume, "If thy brother sin against thee in word, and make amends to thee, receive him seven times in a day." Simon, His disciple, said to Him, "Seven times in a day?" The Lord answered and said to him, "I say unto thee until seventy times seven."
Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:11 am
Subject: [Messianic_Apologetic] Shem Tov Matthew - DSS-NT - the Rood/Gordon sham
Subject was: [Messianic_Apologetic] Re: Shem Tov Matthew..trash or real garbage? you decide..
I appreciate the response. But I have to ask, Have you read the book "Hebrew Yeshua or the Greek Jesus"?
Well, I can speak for myself. In 2002 in Jerusalem I was at the series of talks that Nehemiah gave in Jerusalem, at the house of Michael Rood, and we talked a little about Shem Tov back then.
And later I attended his talk on Shem Tov on Paltalk, the first one, and afterwards talked to him privately quite extensively, in one long session, about the problems and deceptions and errors, both on the specific arguments that were raised, and on the textual background of ShemTov in particular, and the NT in general. And basically Nehemiah pleaded ignorance on NT issues, since he has no scholarly background in the NT whatsoever, and it has no place on his spiritual radar
And I explained to Nehemiah an analogy if someone tried to destroy his faith
in the received Masoretic Text, to replace or rewrite the Tanach, on such an
absurd basis as Shem Tov, they should not expect a warm reception in the
Jewish or Karaite circles.
We even discussed,. I believe in the same chat, the clearly embarrassing topic of the phrase "Dead Sea Scrolls New Testatment". Apparently at that time Nehemiah was upset that Rood had prematurely used the term, on his own accord. This whole usage of that term was what really made clear the stench of their whole endeavor and collaboration, later made worse by the string of lies they placed around the term.
So, I would say that I am up to speed on what is involved here.
At the talk Nehemiah gave three or four examples from the Shem Tov. Other than seat of Moses, the others were of no substance, they were so nothing that I have forgot them by now, if you want to put a couple of them in the forum here to jog memory, I will be happy to discuss them.
Shem Tov is like any other extra Scripture document
Did you see the post I just put in on how they are promoting this scam ? It is not being pushed as an "extra Scripture" document, like a commentary. One lie after another is being peddled to give these shoddy manuscript "Scripture" or even "best/above Scripture" authority.. let's review the ...
Rood-Gordon string of lies for status and filthy lucre
"ancient Hebrew texts of the Gospels might also be unearthed....shake the Christian world.....
secreted away for centuries have recently been unearthed .... One of the greatest of these treasures is the ancient Hebrew text of the book of Matthew....solved problems that had grieved scholars for centuries...... Hebrew text of Matthew's Gospel was preserved by Jewish scholars who kept it safely hidden in covert archives..... Numbers of Hebrew manuscripts of Matthew's account have survived centuries of exile and are now being brought to light. ... These ancient manuscripts of the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew are the "Dead Sea Scrolls of the New Testament".......in many ways.. more important than the Dead Sea Scrolls themselves."
btw, be aware that this whole thing is a partnership fleecing endeavor, which
makes it that much more grievous a conspiracy. No one can say that
Nehemiah is not responsible for the above, as well as Rood... Nehemiah is
well aware of what is being promoted, and of the phoney DSS-NT claim. In
fact, Rood states as such clearly, that the DSS claim is from Nehemiah. If
Nehemiah ever repents of this deception, it would be necessary for him to
make a clear public retraction and apology for the deceptions above. It is very
sad to see a man who was a respected scholar sell out his integrity for a bowl
And the blatant dishonesty of this promotion, is, in its own way, comparable to the dishonesty of the Trimm plagiarism. And that is a very high bar of dishonesty.
you use it to shed light on hard to understand areas. Nobody is saying throw out your King Jimmie.
The proper name of the 1611 Bible is either the King James Bible or the
Authorized Version. King James Version is often used, too.
Use it like any other version - compare verses and see if it helps
As we pointed out, the Shem Tov is full of clearly corrupt, and confused, and even anti-Messiah
readings. We should use no version or manuscripts of that nature. If we do, we are asking for spiritual trouble
The few passages that Gordon uses do clear thing up regarding the seat of Moses and what Yeshua was saying regarding the Pharisees
The basic seat of Moses discussion had already been published in the Jerusalem Sentinel Vol 10 #2 in 2001 by Ross K. Nichols "The Seat of Moses". It was a nice little scholarly article done by Ross, without any hype, without making grandiose claims, that does mention the Shem Tov. Ross will be posting here on the forum shortly.
My conjecture is that Rood simply saw the Sentinel article or the Trimm footnote referencing the Ross article a while back, and then he figured out a way to work with Nehemiah to build this whole sham out of this known information. Then they built up the whole phoney idea of the Shem Tov being a DSS-NT to fleece $$$$$ from the Messianic movement.
As you likely know, Rood's record in prophetic circles had taken a big hit, people were wearying of his false apocalyptic prophetic announcements, and a lot of folks also don't go for his qodesh name shtick such as "healing in the name of yahweh" (does he ever say the name of Jesus?), part of his related anti-greek shtick. This Shem Tov shtick could give Rood another angle to pull his song and dance routine. However, it would hard to pull this off by himself, hence Michael and Nehemiah began their various Abbott and Costello, Barnum and Bailey, and Alphonse and Gaston routines (after you, on stage, sir.. no after you) --
Back to the seat of Moses, although I personally don't accept such variants as Scripture, even if one did want to study the variant, it is simply from the Old Latin line, and it is even missing in most Shem Tov manuscripts. The Old Latin line is understood in real scholarship to be one source used by Shem Tov in creating his translation. btw, it is an important line in good NT analysis, although fairly widely divergent, and even includes Bibles like the Bohemian Tepl and the Italic Diodati. The variant shows up in the line. The general run of corrupt readings in the Shem Tov are unique to his anti-mish version, with no support anywhere. It is a unique abomination, in terms of its text.
And there is no great mystery involved, no "covert archives", no "Dead Sea Scrolls New Testament" that are "ancient Hebrew texts of the Gospels". Those are all a bunch of lies built around this to deceive you, and fleece the flock, John.
Now, personally, I see no need and have no desire to change the NT text to interpret it properly. The issue here is integrity first, interpretation second. Rood and Gordon have flunked Integrity 101.
I have had a copy of Shem Tov here for a while and a few verses that most folks would say are whacked are exactly right.
The weird readings that Vicky documented ? And there are plenty more
But to rip a man for promoting a book that will assist the Messianic movement is harsh
Deceiving people to make $$$$ by promoting essentially a late anti-mish corrupt text as the true NT text - against our Received NT, will never help the Messianic movement. Such fleecing must be opposed.
Sorry, we'll have to disagree. John
Perhaps you had not really seen clearly all the lies in the promotion, when you wrote this, documented earlier today.
In summary, the whole idea of
a) pretending that the Shem Tov Matthew is from an ancient line
of Matthew preserved by the Jews, as Rood and Gordon have done
b) equating this junque anti-mish manuscript to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Is simply a huge fraud and scam upon the Messianic public.
And when people perpetuate a fraud about the Scriptures, Tanach and NT,
in the public arena, all watchmen have a responsibility to speak out
clearly and forcefully. That is, if you truly love the Scriptures.
In the large sense, this is part of the attack on our historic NT Bible, and it goes hand in hand with the "Jesus is a pagan name" views of many on one fringe movement that are attracted to Rood for his "yahweh" views. Nehemiah rejects Jesus as Messiah so that is fine by him. Michael Rood frequently speaks against anything "Greek", and I have never heard of his making an exception to acknowledge either an inspired Greek NT text, or even the name of Jesus. And as pointed out, ShemTov even uses the acronym against Yeshua that was common in rabbinics, but, hey, why should that bother an unbeliever like Nehemiah.
One of the funny things about all this is that Rood could not even receive the true teaching from Nehemiah about the Tetragrammaton (Yehovah/Yehowah instead of yahweh) since he has built so much of his "ministry" around the yahweh mishegas. On the other hand, Nehemiah considers 'yahweh' a paganism -- but for the chance to get a little exposure, to get into that Messianic/Christian $$$ circuit, Nehemiah will go touring and supporting Rood, infamous for his "healing in the name of yahweh" shtick.
Oh, what a web..."
In the promotion for the tour it is stated that Nehemia Gordon, head of the World Karaite Movement, will present his research and interpretations of the Hebrew Matthew and that is being billed as, "What developed from his research is about to shake the Christian world."
It would be fair to say that embracing the teachings of adulterated texts from someone who fully rejects the New Testament and Jesus Christ, would shake something. Nehemiah Gordon admits, "As a Karaite Jew I do not believe in Yeshua (Jesus) of Nazareth" as stated from his affiliate US Karaite website. karaites-usa.org/nehemias_book.htm
Some readers have actually written to this writer about the Karaites, Nehemiah Gordon and Michael Rood. One correspondence with this writer, was with a person known as YahChannah aka Juanita, who heads the Karaite USA website, with the following excerpts from that email dialogue available here. Yahchannah My response showed yet another person going after every wind of doctrine to the eventual rejection of Jesus Christ and the New Testament, which is becoming a more common occurrence.
In fact, as stated in the Information in the World Karaite Movement website, and cited from Michael John Rood: Messianic Karaite Rabbi:
In their Kairite Faqs, the following questions are asked and answered ---"Do Karaites accept the entire Hebrew Bible? Yes.; Do Karaites believe in the New Testament? No.; Do Karaites believe in Jesus? No. "....
...In their "Karaite Links" is Mordecai Alfandari's, Light of Israel, which is very enlightening for those who love Jesus Christ. Light of Israel is part of the Karaite web site and organization. Alfandari, who had been a leader in the Karaite movement, died in 1999 and Nehemia Gordon apparently took over as spokesman for the movement:
"Light of Israel by Mordecai Alfandari"
"Learn about the alternative to Rabbanite Judaism and Pagan Christianity, why Jews reject Jesus and the New Testament, how we can be atoned for sins in a period without sacrifices, and much more." 21
In Light of Israel, among the many anti-Christ, anti-New Testament, anti-Christian articles, is an article that explains the Karaite belief about Jesus, which is interesting in light of the fact that Michael Rood is promoted as a "messianic karaite rabbi," and works and walks side by side with Nehemiah Gordon who holds these beliefs:
"Jews Should Not Believe in Jesus because:
"1. He was to have saved them from their enemies (Luke 1:69-71), which he DIDN'T!
2. He was to have saved them from their sins (Matthew 1:21), which he DIDN'T!
3. He was to have returned as the reigning King Messiah in that same generation (Matthew 16:27-28), which he DIDN'T!
4. He was to have come at that time, without tarrying (Hebrews 10:37), which he DIDN'T!
5. The true Messiah was to be "David's Son", and Jesus WASN'T!
6. The Servant described in Isaiah 53 (which Christians claim was Jesus) was to have lived a long life and have many children (verse 10), and to have had his share of wealth, (verse 12), which Jesus DIDN'T! (He died poor and childless at the age of 33.) ....
Jews should definitely NOT believe in Jesus, nor should ANYONE for that matter! The general picture obtained from an impartial reading of the so-called New Testament (not to be confused with the New Covenant described in Jeremiah 31:31-34) is one of a self-deluded, would-be prophet who failed to actualize his claims.
WHY PIN YOUR SALVATION ON A FAIRY-TALE? COME TO YHVH, THE ONLY TRUE SAVIOUR AND KING, TODAY, AND FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS!
Submitted by: Mordecai Alfandari" 22
In fact, Michael Rood along with Mr. Gordon, in the past has stated that, "Y'shua taught the Torah from a solidly "Karaite" Jewish perspective."
If someone does not believe in the New Testament or Jesus Christ, they can clearly not be an authority relating to those topics. Those who reject Jesus Christ as the prophesied Messiah neither accept nor understand the New Testament Scriptures which validate that belief, nor the paralleling prophecies from the Old Testament.
1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the
spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to
us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's
wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual
things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8
Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but
that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in
the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring
not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
What do the Scriptures say about Believers in Christ trying to learn Scriptural Truth from someone who rejects Jesus Christ? Notice what Jesus declares in Matthew:
Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not
with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin
and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the
Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached
unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 4:1 Now
the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from
the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that
antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know
that it is the last time.19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if
they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they
went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20
But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have
not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it,
and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there
be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But
though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than
that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.